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Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Teaching Our Children





My grandson took this picture below.  It's his shoes and his grandfathers.  He said he can't wait to grow up and fill out his shoes.  Wasn't that cute?  Really a sweet thing.  However in reality - he has no idea how big a job it is to fill his grandpas or any 'man's' shoes - but he's in the process of learning.





I remember when my FIL died - my husband forgot to pack shoes - he wore his dad's and said - he had always wondered if he could fill his dad's shoes - and he did.
Okay so how does this all work into a post today?

Brenda at "It's A Wonderful Life" commented to me on one of my posts awhile back and somehow we got started talking about school and the differences between now and then. We were talking about the punishments the teachers gave us.

She told me, "Oh what fun.... I love my memories of elementary school (or most of them, ahem)....except maybe for the one standing in to corner for chatting in the wrong time."

I wrote back that once I was chewing gum and the teacher saw it - I had to wear the gum on my nose the rest of the afternoon!

Then she wrote back and said that she had to write 100 times 'I will not chew gum in class' - her mother felt bad because she had given it to her when she visited her for lunch and Brenda put it in and chewed it at the end of the day - apparently not the end of the day for the teacher.

I had trouble with my Z's and on a spelling test - I told her that it was indeed a z.  She said to practice and write a 1000 Z's to learn to write them right.  And I did it. 

My husband went to a Catholic school - they rapped his knuckles with a ruler.


Chatty in school.

Do you have any memories of what your type of punishments you received from your teachers or what the rules were in those days - lol? 

When I was hired in the school system many years ago - the philosophy for a para pro - at least what the principal told me at the time - was that what these particular kids I'd be working with needed was a  little nurturing.  By the end of 15 years - you could not or should not even pat a child's shoulder.  Truth.  You might get sued for inappropriate touching. 

What are your thoughts?


My grandson's new Lego project - he worked with his grandpa - have to say he did most of it.  But that is because through the years his grandpa and him did a lot of them together.  At first it was grandpa putting them together and he watched - then half and half - and now mostly by himself.  
He was so happy and proud.

THOUGHT FOR THE DAY:

While we try to teach our children all about life,
Our children teach us what life is all about.
— Angela Schwindt
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68 comments:

Jeanie said...

I remember my first grade teacher, Mrs. Waldrip, hitting kids on the back of their hands with a ruler. Fortunately, I never got hit, but I sure remember it happening to other kids.

barbara l. hale said...

I remember one nun in my grade school used to draw a circle on the chalk board just about an inch above where the height of the kid's nose who was being punished. Then the kid had to stand there on tiptoe with his nose in the circle for some amount of time. I thought that was cruel at the time and it scared me into submission. Those kinds of things put a certain fear in my heart that I didn't outgrow until I was in my forties and decided finally that I didn't give a rat's butt anymore. I think there is appropriate punishment for wrong doing but I am not a fan of humiliation or corporal punishment.

TexWisGirl said...

your grandson is so lucky to have you both in his life - every day. :)

That corgi :) said...

I love the Lego project that GS done and I like his picture and his thinking about the shoes. He will fill them one day! I'm sure he will do great! I remember having to write a lot of sentences in school "I won't talk in class" etc for whatever the punishment. Times really have changed!

betty

I'm mostly known as 'MA' said...

Oh yes, discipline has changed and you can usually tell that by the kids behave in school too. Yet a very fine teacher I knew had a way of handling every class without yelling and punishments. She was good and every child and parent liked her too. Another teacher I knew yelled a lot at the children and never followed threw but made a lot of threats. Her classes were always trouble. Strange isn't it . We often teach by example more than anything. Your grandson is so blessed to have a grandfather to do things like the lego project together. He is going to learn to how to fill those shoes quite nicely.

Bev said...

In grade one my the teacher put me in charge of the classroom when she left...when she came back I told her what some kids had done...then she repeat called me a Tattletail....you remember the the quote...your tongue should be split?....well she got the whole class to say that to me.... I was 6...and thought that I was suppose to report to her....

On a good note...love the GK and GD shoes!!!

DD said...

I was in first Grade, the chatterbox on front row. To my left and to my right, I was so busy! One day I found myself standing outside the door. I looked to my left and up the big long hall I saw the principle walking toward me. I can still see him as he stopped before me. Looking down at me, he ask what I had done. I remember so well as I had to look straight up at the tall man, my one word answer..."talking". I breathed a sigh of relief as he smiled and walked on. I don't remember having to stand in the hall ever again...lol.

Thistle Cove Farm said...

There's nothing wrong with appropriate punishment when children, or adults, break the rules or laws. The key word is "appropriate" but some in authority are cruel.
The Good Book Preacher says, "the wicked flourish because judgement is slow in coming."
At school, I had to stand in a corner and remember getting demerits, Sometimes I missed out on fun activities because I was being punished at home.
All of that turned me into a law-abiding, tax-paying citizen who thoroughly resents riff-raff double-dipping government checks, receiving aid so they can then turn around and sell the goods, etc.

Linda @ A La Carte said...

First, you did a great job on your new header! I'm so proud of you!! I got spanked once for talking! It was awful and I thought overkill but that was a long time ago. Mostly I was 'good' just chatty....could be why we are such great friends. I hate that you can't hug kids anymore. When I was in grade school my teachers were loving and kind and my heros! My kids had loving teachers also...I think it's a shame that is ending. I am so proud of GS, he is growing and learning....he will be a good man!
hugs, Linda

~Lavender Dreamer~ said...

My first thought is that I wish parents would teach their kids respect and good behavior at home so that the teachers could TEACH! I don't remember ever being punished in school. I loved school and I was a pretty quiet back then! lol Coincidentally...yesterday I had a ruler out to measure something and when I walked past my hubby, I asked him if the teacher ever rapped him on the knuckles in school....he said yes! heehee! Hugs!

mare ball said...

I sensed there was some Catholicism in the background even before I finished reading your post. :-) Those nuns were tough cookies. What I remember is that parents and teachers were in agreement about the kid (me.) whatever the teacher said, my folks accepted, or corrected. Sadly, not so today.

Terra said...

The photo your grandson took of the shoes is fabulous. I think teachers hugging kids is way cool and I hope many teachers still do it.

Cranberry Morning said...

I agree with TexWisGirl. :-) And what I think is that we've become a very strange society indeed. When I was a kid we could be out at night in the neighborhood and no one would have to worry. Different story today. We seem to protect the bully and victimize the 'innocent.'

Starting Over, Accepting Changes - Maybe said...

I went to Catholic school. The nuns at the time taught by the process of humiliation. I still bare the scars. However, I was in a class of over 50+ kids and that could put anyone in a bad mood.

Sandy said...

Well, I remember being spanked in front of everyone while I stood at the blackboard. And the teacher was a good friend of my mom's so I really was surprised. All I said was that I couldn't do the math problem and so I asked the kid next to me how to do it. Seemed like a logical thing to do to my third grade mind. That was the only time I was ever spanked in school. Teachers took any misbehaving student to the cloak room and they were spanked there or they hit their knuckles with a ruler. The teachers also gave big warm hugs when you were doing well and making good grades.
I think the picture of the shoes is precious and it speaks volumes.

Sandra said...

i was to afraid of daddy and God to do anything in school that would sic the teacher on me, the school i was in from 4 through 8 they had a paddle and used it. that was in the 50's.

Comfypjs said...

When I was in grade school (early part parochial and latter part public) I remember punishments in the early years. I wasn't the one of those that received punishment at school because I behaved. Others were punished. Some sent to the office where the principal had an actually wooden paddle. My mother was a huge factor in my behavior because I feared the punishment from her if I got out of line at school. I worked in the classrooms when my kids were in grade school. There too I witnessed unruly children being punished. Nowadays, parents are quick to come to the defense of their children even though their child may be misbehaving multiple times throughout the day and cause the entire class to be put 'on hold' while the child is dealt with.
I am saddened to see how many children today are so disrespectful to not only their parents but also their teachers and everywhere they go. They are not being taught responsibility for their actions.

Cheryl @ TFD said...

I remember the teacher getting after me on my very first day of school for whistling! I think I was more intimidated by the tone of voice rather than any other form of punishment.

Times sure have changed haven't they. Can you imagine what would happen if you rapped a student on the back of their hand with a ruler today? Why they'd cry "child abuse"? I'm not for beating, but a mild rap on the knuckles never hurt anyone, imo.

Andy is a lucky boy to have you and your hubby as grandparents!

Lisa @ Two Bears Farm said...

Cool lego ship!

I remember someone else getting spanked once.

I mostly stayed out of trouble in school, but the year we had creative writing I was already really into psychology. I had been reading all these books on multiple personalities, and so in my creative writing journal I did each entry by a different personality. I had 16 different ones and they all had different handwriting - one was a little boy who wrote in crayon. Anyhow, my teacher read it and flipped out and called my mom to tell her I had multiple personalities and needed therapy. When I got home that day my mom was standing in the driveway crying and saying she'd get me help. I was like, "Mom! It's CREATIVE WRITING. I was trying to be creative! I don't have multiple personalities!!".

Cheri said...


Awesome lego project that GS did.

I love the shoes but tell GS not to wish his life away...soon enough he will be filling in those shoes or ones like them. Enjoy your youth GS, but it was cute what he said.

Lynn said...

I used to get detention study hall for talking too much during class and the same for chewing gum. :)

Sr. Ann Marie Slavin said...

In grade school the only punishment I remember was having to write some statement or other a specific number of times. In high school I got a demerit (along with everyone except two people in our chemistry class). The detention was because we had not cleaned out the sinks in the lab properly. However, the detention slip said it was for disobedience--an offense that did not go over too well with my mom!

KC said...

Hi Sandie,

I simply love the photograph your GS took of the shoes, and I love the story behind it. Your GS is adorable and it would seem, a deep thinker. I'm sure he will indeed fill granddad's shoes :) You are doing a terrific job raising him.

Kudos on the Lego project!

Hmmm, school - I can recall quite clearly being yelled at by my year seven teacher. For what?! Well, she asked a question and asked "Kerrie" to answer that question. The problem was, there were two "Kerrie's" in the class. She walked up to my desk, yelling an ranting at me, repeatedly hitting her cane on my desk. The verbal abuse and her manner would not be tolerated in society today.

But then again, nor would a lot of other things.

Wishing you a happy day... every day! Love to you! From, Kerrie

Shelly said...

I had a 1st grade teacher who should never have been a teacher. She had a thick rod and she'd whack people in the legs, back, arms with it if she didn't like how they sat, the look on their face, etc. This was in a private school in the late 60's.

It was a traumatizing year, to say the least.

Nonnie said...

I loved my teachers and my parents had let me know that any punishment for misbehavior at school would also be given at home, so I didn't get into trouble. In junior high, I got a little braver and chatty and found myself standing in the hall a few times, but I probably deserved it for talking in class. I only remember a couple of kids ever getting spanked. There was usually one boy every year who presented a problem for the teachers. And yes,that was the 50's.
It is sad that there can be no nurturing by the teacher ...even at church. We are not to hold a child or hug anymore. Too many weirdos are making their way into the classrooms.
Your grandson is a deep thinker. What a cute and huggable boy.

Gloria Hood said...

You name the punishment, I got it, for talking to much! lol Great lego project!

Gina said...

I remember teachers making children put gum on the end of their noses if they were caught chewing it. Every year in school I tell the students that and they are always shocked by it! lol

Maybe my approach isn't always the best, but with the kids I work with (inner city), they need alot of love & alot of attention...so I tend to mother them. If they hug me, I don't push them away. I know in today's society, that may not be looked upon as wise, but I figure these poor kids probably get enough of the pushing away at home and just really want someone to care about them.

Ok. Off my soapbox now. :)

Cherie said...

It's so great that your grandson and his grandfather have a relationship of doing things together, and I love the gradual transition of granddad doing most of it to grandson. Great mentoring. And he looks so proud! :)

Grandma Bonnie said...

I remember being sent to the principles office for waving the peace sign in the classroom. That was a first and last time I ever was punished. I love the lego project your grandson must have some patience. It is not to easy to follow those instructions.

Tree Hugger - Suzan said...

In first grade, I was spanked for starring out the window and not doing my work. We didn't have kindergarten in the 50s, so I came in from the orange grove, into a classroom where we had to sit in a desk all day. We didn't have air conditioning either, so one whole wall of the classroom was windows. In Jr. high school I was writing 100 times on the front blackboard not to talk ALL the time!!
About not touching the kids in school now??? I'm all over them! When you see a child doing well, a pat on the shoulder says volumes without a word being spoken. I walk down the hall holding a child's hand - 1st or 2nd grader. When I walk the 4th & 5th graders out to the bus - if I'm talking with one, I'll have my arm around their shoulder so I'm talking only to that child. Touch is so profound - used in a positive way! Now mind you- this is elementary, in the hall and in a full gen. ed. classroom. In a small group classroom - I will pat on the shoulder only.

A Quiet Corner said...

Things have changed so much, Sandie...even our Tai Chi instructor asks permission before he touches our arm! Yet, when I went to Catholic School the nuns were BRUTAL!!!...:)JP

✿ chica said...

Linda foto dos sapatos e logo ele estará do tamanho do pé do avô...

E quanto às punições, tive várias nos colégios. Era danada de arteira!rs beijos,chica

SweetMarie said...

You know I think your grandson is one lucky boy!
As far as schools...I think they need to be more strict, but there's a lot lacking from the parents as well. It's all going the wrong way. That's why I pulled my son away from his public school, that is an "A" school and suppose to be the best. It's a joke...

Susannah said...

Miss Chatty....there is something about the picture that your grandson took that is just sticking with me. How sweet is that pic? I think you should display it somewhere in your home.

Yes, there were teachers that were very strick in our grade school One teacher would pull
a students hair and shake the head all around.Luckily, I never had anything happen to me. But my parents thought that was disgraceful.

Angela said...

I have mostly a hate relationship with school. I do have a few good memories but for the most part I hated school. You couldn't pay me to go back! I remember one time the entire class got in trouble we the entire class had to hold out books out with our arms up. That hurt and it wasn't my fault so I shouldn't have had to do it. A few trouble makers in the class and we all got in trouble. It wasn't fair.

Ann said...

I didn't get in trouble much when I was in school but I do recall getting caught talking when I wasn't supposed to and the teacher made me stand in the hall.

Jill said...

I could write a book on this but I won't.

Your grandson is very insightful to want to fill his Grandpa's shoes. He is so lucky to have you both!

Blondee said...

The photo of their shoes is just adorable. Love it.

Miss Debbie said...

I had to stand in the corner one time....that's all it took! So embarrassed! It is wonderful that you and your hubby spend so much time with your grandson.What a blessing for him... and you!

Dee said...

Love your grandsons photo of the shoes...I am sure he will one day fill them out in more ways than one. I had to sit in the hall once during class for talking. In grade school they still could use a paddle...fortunately I never got a swat.

Paula said...

When I was in high school at our small town the Principal and the Superintendent both had to teach subjects too. The Principal taught my class History but was sometime late to class because of other business. One morning he walked in and the room was all a-chatter. He ask okay who all was talking hold up their hand. My hand was the only one that went up so my nickname among my classmates was Honest Abe from then on. Lol

Dolores said...

While we try to teach our children all about life,
Our children teach us what life is all about.
— Angela Schwindt
I've not read this before.... for some reason, it made me cry.... it's beautiful!

You guys are great grandparents.... what a gift to you all and the grandson.
Hugs,

Susan said...

Hi Sandie...I agree with Dolores that you and your hubs are absolultely the BEST grandparents a kid could have. Lucky, lucky, lucky kid, I'd say your grandson is!

Things definitely have changed over the years regarding punishing kids in school. Still, I'm grateful for the education I got from the Sisters of St. Joseph. They were very dedicated to their students. Take care. Susan

jack69 said...

I love the photo of the shoes and the statement. Of course he has no idea what it takes to fill GP's shoes, but he is diligent, he will learn.

I had to write "I will not talk in class" and "I will not chew gum in class' so many times I worked it out to an art by taping 4 pencils together.
Up until the 4th grade the teacher and/or principal could use a paddle. Most used the paddle ball paddle. Yep, I felt it about twice. It actually made more noise than pain, but it got the job done.

Love from Pennsylvania, Hershey that is.

Liz @ A Nut in a Nutshell said...

I had to write "I will not talk in class 100 times" once, but all it did was make me hate that teacher. I loved her until that day and I never felt the same after that.

The Boston Lady said...

You have hit a nerve, I see. Good! I love the picture of GS shoes and his grandpas. What a great thing he aspires to.

Hmmm. I was a goody-goody, but I remember having to stand in the corner at recess one day by the principal's office and crying the whole time. I don't remember what I did. But I do remember our classroom was right next to his office and he paddled! We could hear it - not in favor of that! My boyfriend in HS got paddled - don't remember why either.

I do remember the gum on the nose being doled out and some kids were banished to the coat closet.

Now you can't even "look" at them wrong, much less give them a hug or as you said a pat on the shoulder. Which a lot of them need.

Ann

Jo-Anne Meadows said...

You know I can't remember getting into trouble when I was at school what does that say about me, either I have a bad memory or I was a goody two shoes........

Tweedles -- that's me said...

I think the photo your GS took of those shoes- is cool!
love
tweedles

magie said...

I really like the photo of your grandsons shoes next to his grandfathers shoes..very sweet.
I can't remember getting into trouble much at school, I guess I saved it all for when I got home (lucky Mom! :P).
Have a lovely day today. I am your newest follower...
Magie

Sorta Southern Single Mom said...

We are up against a wall these days with what we can and can't do although, going to school in the 80's, I don't remember the teachers doing anything more severe than I do, but there was more parent support.

We had a tornado warning at dismissal Tuesday. The children had to spend 20 minutes crouched down in the hall. One kindergartener, who comes to my room for bus dismissal, was beside herself by the time we got up. I picked her up and let her sit in my lap. Should I have? Probably not, but I"d want someone to do the same for my child if she/he was THAT shaken up!

EM Illustrator said...

I was very shy and quiet in school, so never got into trouble hehe ;) Cool picture of the shoes and I like his thinking.
I'm a bit late...but wishing you a lovely day my friend!

HOOTIN ANNI said...

Well, I can't remember any disciplinary measures my teachers put on me. Too old I guess, or perhaps I just washed that all out of my brain...trying to forget it.

Now get this, after you mentioned that you can't pat a student's shoulder and give them praise for good job...my son told me [of course this is college level teaching for him]...he was told he can't flunk a student!!! Give 'em a "D" and call it sufficient. I said: "Say what?". No wonder there are so many bumper stickers on cars with proud parent of an honor student?!!!!!

The French Hutch said...

What a sweet and thoughtful photo from your son. I love the legos……..

~Emily
the French Hutch

Terri Buster said...

I remember one thing- my parents were on the teacher's side of anything I ever did wrong- and if I got in trouble at school, I got it double when I came home.

LL Cool Joe said...

I know this is gonna sound untrue, but I was never in trouble at school. Not once. I was a goodie goodie.

I wasn't quite as good at college though. :D I got told off because my dress code wasn't appropriate.

Knitty said...

I was never singled out for punishment but there were times the whole class had to write 100 times "I will not talk when the teacher steps out of the room" or something similar.

I think it is a shame that a shoulder hug, pat on the back, etc are discouraged or flat out not permitted. The few sick individuals who are interested in wrong doing are going to find a way to do something ugly when no one is looking (in my opinion), so all this does is deprive a lot of teachers, aides and kids a lot of nurturing.

The shoe photo is precious and speaks volumes of your grandson's feelings toward grandpa.

Butterbean Row said...

Seeing the nuns rap the boys knuckles was enough to keep me "good". I didn't want the disgrace to happen to me.
I think kids get away with waaaaay too much these days. A little paddling never hurt and kids were kept in line. They seem to respect boundaries. Nowadays anything goes. The parents go ballistic if little Johnny's self esteem is damaged in any way. No wonder how kids, not all, but many are out of control and have no respect for authority.

charlotte

DearHelenHartman said...

What a lovely thought about filling your father's shoes.I don't think anyone could fill my dads. Or my mom's.
Punishments? We had a Spanish teacher who used to have us write on the board a lot. If we got the accent wrong we would have to erase it with our noses.

Debbie said...

awwww this is so cute!!! I wish I had time to read all the comments, I'll bet they are fun! I have worn gum on my nose, a time or two!!

Debby@Just Breathe said...

Oh yes, I had to write on the board too! Honestly when our daughter was in middle school we sat down with some people regarding our daughter struggling in class. We had to say "WHAT CAN BE DONE TO HELP HER" before they could even begin to tell us. If they suggested something we could sue them. It's crazy out there today. Everyone must win yet we don't always win in life so what preparation is that for life.

Ida said...

I got the ruler for writing "left-handed" but just once because when my mom found out the you know what hit the fan and the pricipal was called and they never touched me again. Seriously...for being left-handed!

Retired English Teacher said...

I never got in trouble in school that I remember. I was late with an assignment once and the teacher gave me a lecture that I have never forgotten. It was done in private, but I was very embarrassed. I needed the lesson. I have not forgotten it.

Mary said...

I do not ever remember a teacher giving a hug...and now as a teacher I do not touch students. Sad, huh.

Farida said...

Your grandson is handsome Ms Sandie! I hope he realizes at an early age the responsibilities of being a young man :)

ocmist said...

My grandson has a teacher that tends to teach in the old fashioned way... Every night for his homework (3rd gr.) he has to write whichever times table he is learning 6 times each from 0-12, and his 15 spelling words 6 times each. If he forgets to put his name on the top of the paper before turning it in, he has to stay in at recess and write his name 100 times for each paper he forgot to "name." Any work he doesn't get done for the day is also sent home as homework and we have been known to be working for over 4 hours on it (That first week especially)! WHEW!

My most favorite teacher was one that gave me a big hug and was very easy on me one day when I was so upset about one of my dogs being put down. I know what you are saying, though, about not being able to touch a student. After 18 years of working in the public schools, I really felt it was sad that we weren't supposed to touch our special ed children when so often, that is what they really needed... to somehow feel as if someone really cared about them.

Hubby was in a school taught by nuns until the 5th grade, and he often speaks of those rulers across the knuckles.

Debbie said...

Why Sandie, you KNOW I don't have a story since I never misbehaved in school. Yep. Practically perfect in every way I was.

Honest, too...

Ha!

I never had to do the gum on the nose, but I had to do a lot of "I will not talk in class" writing as I recall. I agree with what you said about the lack of ability to nurture or touch children. I am a toucher by nature. I had a problem when I recently taught because the kids would spontaneously hug ME and I was nervous that I would get in trouble. I think it's because I might not have hugged but I'm still a "patter".

Rambling...
It's good to be able to sit at a computer and read favorite blogs again.

Mevely317 said...

This pix your GS took is so touching! It speaks volumes, doesn't it? ... and your accompanying words have given me lots to think about.
I wonder if he won't become a photo/artist as an adult?

Try as I might, I can't recall any embarrassing school-room stories.... only on account I probably spent as much time trying to remain INVISIBLE as possible. Yup, "Square: party of one."

Have a delightful day!

sparkle100-havealook.blogspot.com said...

That was a good project he did. Alright. Grandpa's know best how to be Grandpa's. Look how Grandson caught on on his own. Good Job!

I snagged that pix of the wee guy with his fist up telling the devil where to go. Well. Back off.